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Re: Franklin Quote

 

You are correct in that it could be seen as deceptive. It was not intended to be as such. I was told that the 40m S. Territory net was no longer active, nor was the 20m Digital Net, and that the Net Controller for the Central Territory Net had resigned and the net was no longer running. Other than those 3, can you remind me what other nets I deleted? I did not realize at the time it would send notices to everyone, and for that I apologize. I hate spam mail, myself.
--

'73 (Best Wishes, for non-Hams)

--... ...-- / -.. . / .-- .- ..... .-.. . .

WA5LEE  (Previously KC3LEE)

Lee Glassman, ARRL VE, COM-T, NREMT #E3525310

Tomball, Texas

https://wa5lee.com

Int’l SSB 20M Net Manager


NW Harris County TX ARES STX Dist. 14 AEC Drill Ops

Houston Methodist Willowbrook Hospital EMCOMM Team

Tomball FD EMCOMM Team

PA Digital Radio Group NCO

https://padmr.net

Northwest Amateur Radio Society

Texas Lonestar DMR Network NCO

http://dmrtexas.net

OMISS #1198

TDXS #219


Re: Franklin Quote

Greg - WB5GM <greg@...>
 

Lee - Your "cancellation" justification below is very deceptive.  I am an "owner/moderator"  of another group in groups.io. You could have simply "deleted" the events from the calendar without notifying members of this group that the events were "Cancelled".  There is certainly a difference between deleting references (as you were supposedly requested to do) and intentionally alerting/deceiving folks of regional SATERN net cancellations for those nets for which you were NOT the net manager.


- Greg WB5GM


Re: Franklin Quote

 

The reason you saw those multiple cancellations was, since the groups.io email reflector is no longer part of the Salvation Army, I removed all references to calendar events from the army. Whether they are occurring or not, I do not know. I was just told to remove all references to the Salvation Army from my website. And I did. Hope that explains it!


On Apr 22, 2021, at 12:55, Noel <drnat@...> wrote:

Hi, Lee.  Perhaps you've not seen them, but I've received multiple notifications of permanent cancellations of nets -- every single net on the satern.org list.  Yet, as you know, yesterday's 20 meter SSB net occurred as always.  That's my reference point for posting, "Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see."

While I'm typing, I see zero reason to change the words behind the SATERN acronym.  My 2 cents worth...

       --Noel N9CJT


Re: Franklin Quote

Noel <drnat@...>
 

Hi, Lee.  Perhaps you've not seen them, but I've received multiple notifications of permanent cancellations of nets -- every single net on the satern.org list.  Yet, as you know, yesterday's 20 meter SSB net occurred as always.  That's my reference point for posting, "Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see."

While I'm typing, I see zero reason to change the words behind the SATERN acronym.  My 2 cents worth...

       --Noel N9CJT


Re: For all Net check in members information:

Mike Asselta (KD0CDQ) <KD0CDQ@...>
 

Hi all,
The associated email issue is new to me. Major Michele Heaver is a fine lady that I had the privilege of meeting many years ago in Kansas City, KS.  Major Michele is very dedicated to the Salvation Army, and a golden example of service to our LORD.

The issue is beyond my understanding at this time.

Be there anyway I may support the SATERN efforts in the Southern Territory, Texas merely ask. HF SATERN contact is often difficult in Dallas and Fort Worth.
Mike Asselta



Re: Franklin Quote

Dennis Watford <larry@...>
 

Hello all from the deep south!  

Well the truth has finally come out. - the  SATERN International SSB 20 meter net has  no "mission" and never really has.  TSA mission is basically local.and really has few needs for international communnications support.

Glad to see some support for continuation of a daily international net - but given the state of internation communications - have strong doubts that emergency com alone will give one a sustainable level of interest and mission.  Developing a workable mission is imho critical to the net's successful continuation.

I would be interested in contributing to such an effort. -anyone else feel the same????


Re: Franklin Quote

KG5JPU
 

Lee after writing to you it came across finally & I responded back to your email aswell. Lee please give me a call on my cell when u get a moment I have a question 2 ask u.
73
Anthony
R Paolucci Jr
KG5JPU
(817)707-6008

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 11:06 WA5LEE - Lee - Net Manager via groups.io <leemanpa=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
Hey Anthony! I sent you a direct message response to your question. Sorry if you did not get it.
The 20M daily net is continuing exactly as it has been. Matter of fact, we are just closing it now as I type this.
The only change will likely be a different reverse-acronym for SATERN with no affiliation to any group other than ourselves.
--

'73 (Best Wishes, for non-Hams)

--... ...-- / -.. . / .-- .- ..... .-.. . .

WA5LEE  (Previously KC3LEE)

Lee Glassman, ARRL VE, COM-T, NREMT #E3525310

Tomball, Texas

https://wa5lee.com

Int’l SSB 20M Net Manager


NW Harris County TX ARES STX Dist. 14 AEC Drill Ops

Houston Methodist Willowbrook Hospital EMCOMM Team

Tomball FD EMCOMM Team

PA Digital Radio Group NCO

https://padmr.net

Northwest Amateur Radio Society

Texas Lonestar DMR Network NCO

http://dmrtexas.net

OMISS #1198

TDXS #219


Re: Franklin Quote

 

Hey Anthony! I sent you a direct message response to your question. Sorry if you did not get it.
The 20M daily net is continuing exactly as it has been. Matter of fact, we are just closing it now as I type this.
The only change will likely be a different reverse-acronym for SATERN with no affiliation to any group other than ourselves.
--

'73 (Best Wishes, for non-Hams)

--... ...-- / -.. . / .-- .- ..... .-.. . .

WA5LEE  (Previously KC3LEE)

Lee Glassman, ARRL VE, COM-T, NREMT #E3525310

Tomball, Texas

https://wa5lee.com

Int’l SSB 20M Net Manager


NW Harris County TX ARES STX Dist. 14 AEC Drill Ops

Houston Methodist Willowbrook Hospital EMCOMM Team

Tomball FD EMCOMM Team

PA Digital Radio Group NCO

https://padmr.net

Northwest Amateur Radio Society

Texas Lonestar DMR Network NCO

http://dmrtexas.net

OMISS #1198

TDXS #219


Re: Franklin Quote

KG5JPU
 

Earlier today I posted a question on the stern groups.io page
New topic regarding todays 20 meter net whether we were having one & if so when & where. I haven't received an email showing my post and or any replies to my post.
73
Anthony R Paolucci Jr
KG5JPU
(817)707-6008

On Wed, Apr 21, 2021, 10:44 WA5LEE - Lee - Net Manager via groups.io <leemanpa=me.com@groups.io> wrote:
While I appreciate the prose of the quote, I am not quite clear on how that applies to the 'explosion' of posts.
Nothing that has been stated is incorrect about what occurred. If you know differently, please feel free to let the group know.


--

'73 (Best Wishes, for non-Hams)

--... ...-- / -.. . / .-- .- ..... .-.. . .

WA5LEE  (Previously KC3LEE)

Lee Glassman, ARRL VE, COM-T, NREMT #E3525310

Tomball, Texas

https://wa5lee.com

Int’l SSB 20M Net Manager


NW Harris County TX ARES STX Dist. 14 AEC Drill Ops

Houston Methodist Willowbrook Hospital EMCOMM Team

Tomball FD EMCOMM Team

PA Digital Radio Group NCO

https://padmr.net

Northwest Amateur Radio Society

Texas Lonestar DMR Network NCO

http://dmrtexas.net

OMISS #1198

TDXS #219


Re: Franklin Quote

 

While I appreciate the prose of the quote, I am not quite clear on how that applies to the 'explosion' of posts.
Nothing that has been stated is incorrect about what occurred. If you know differently, please feel free to let the group know.


--

'73 (Best Wishes, for non-Hams)

--... ...-- / -.. . / .-- .- ..... .-.. . .

WA5LEE  (Previously KC3LEE)

Lee Glassman, ARRL VE, COM-T, NREMT #E3525310

Tomball, Texas

https://wa5lee.com

Int’l SSB 20M Net Manager


NW Harris County TX ARES STX Dist. 14 AEC Drill Ops

Houston Methodist Willowbrook Hospital EMCOMM Team

Tomball FD EMCOMM Team

PA Digital Radio Group NCO

https://padmr.net

Northwest Amateur Radio Society

Texas Lonestar DMR Network NCO

http://dmrtexas.net

OMISS #1198

TDXS #219


Franklin Quote

Noel <drnat@...>
 

Regarding the explosion of posts/reactions of the past 24 hours:

Attributed to Ben Franklin, Edgar Allen Poe, and Abraham Lincoln, "Believe nothing you hear and only half of what you see."

        --Noel N9CJT


Re: Event: WMNI SATERN NET #cal-invite

Noel <drnat@...>
 

Warren:

Your assessment is consistent with what's happening globally in the wake (or is that woke) of the coronavirus.  Unfortunately, no organization is immune.  If it can be destroyed, that serves the plan.  See you on the nets.

         --Noel N9CJT


What a revolting envelopment that is

Dennis Watford <larry@...>
 

Guess I'll have to refund all that grant money I have received over the years to pay for equipment, antennas and time. 

Just went thru same thing with ARC -

NEVER  never AGAIN!

Obviously the "committee" has infinite wisdom & knowledge regarding communications  ... they did such a great job in this case.

W4AUE
-- 
Dennis Larry Watford
166 Barksdale Lane
Boaz, Al 35956
Office 423 342 4653 
Cell 256 570 8513 (new as of 11-27-20)


Re: For all Net check in members information:

Ron Butts (K7OEG)
 

Lee I can not believe that the TSA seems to believe that they, who ever that is can run a net of volunteers. 
We all do this to help in time of disasters. I have worked with many volunteers and the ego maniacs who want to be in charge. They are destined to fail.
I am a level one incident commander and I see it all the time.
Message to The leadership of TSA wake up you work for God you are not God.Any question on leadership responsibilities. Call me

Ron Butts  IC I
K7OEG




Stinrmed
Sent from my T-Mobile 4G LTE Device


Re: For all Net check in members information:

 
Edited

I received a message from one of the members here, but for some reason it disappeared, so without giving the persons name, here is the text:

"Lee,
I appreciate the effort. But if you choose to publish this, in the realm of honesty you may consider show just cause by disclosing what they stated. The optics here are one sided"

I ABSOLUTELY agree with the above. I neglected to include the original letter from Maj Michele & the committee in March that prompted my reply above. In the TOTAL interest of full disclosure, here is the original letter, with my apologies for not including it:



Lee Glassman

The Salvation Army SATERN International SSB 20M Net Manager

 

The SATERN National Committee appointed you as The Salvation Army SATERN International SSB 20M Net Manager effective December 15, 2021.  Since that time, you have introduced new technology to the committee, kept the Net running and have tried to move the program forward.  With that said, there have been several issues regarding the day-to-day operation of the Net has occurred that give great concern to The SATERN National Committee as well as NHQ.  These issues include the following:

 

  1. The establishment of the main@... email.
  2. The utilization of your private business zoom account during net operation.
  3. The establishment of a SATERN website which has now been incorporated into the official SATERN.org website.
  4. The cancelation of the International SSB20M Net on Saturday March 27, 2021 without consultation with the SATERN Liaison.
  5. The creation of a Hamshack Hotline bridge – SATERN Int’l bridge – Ext 1431. 

 

Many of these concerns could have been avoided, if you had consulted with the SATERN Liaison and the SATERN National Committee. Therefore, The SATERN National Committee and NHQ are requesting the following:

 

  1. Access to the main@... email account.  This would include login and password information.
  2. The discontinue the use of the Hamshack Hotline bridge until the SATERN National Committee has had the opportunity to review and possibly review the new mode of communication.
  3. Any changes in the day-to-day operation of the International SSB 20M Net, including new modes of operation, would require the consultation with the SATERN Liaison and then if required, the approval of the SATERN National Committee.

 

During a January 2021 meeting, the SATERN National Committee had expressed to you the expectation that any changes in the day-to-day operation of the International SSB 20M Net, including new modes of operation, would require the consultation with the SATERN Liaison and then if required, the approval of the SATERN National Committee.

 

We also understand that there needs to be more flexibility in your requests and to push it through the committee with quicker resolution. Future items regarding the operation of the Net could be presented to the Liaison at any time and can make a determination to present it to the committee for possible interim approval.  This could result in a quicker response time if needed.

 

Another idea is that we host a meeting soon, where you can present your ideas to the committee.  It is apparent you have many ways to move SATERN forward and dedicating a full meeting to you could bring these items to the committees attention as well as moving your requests forward.

 

A response to the requested information and or action will need to take place by April 15, 2021.

 

Respectfully,

 

Major Michele Heaver

Divisional Disaster Services Secretary

National SATERN Liaison to NHQ

End of email

I also neglected to mention that prior to this email, I was forced to participate in a weekly or biweekly phone conference with Bill Feist and Major Heaver, ostensibly to check on me & what I was doing. This was discrimination, pure and simple. No other NCS or Net Manager had to follow this procedure.



Re: For all Net check in members information:

Dan Redford (KE0SYB) <air@...>
 

Afternoon Lee, sorry to hear you are the victim of the Ole geezer brigade!  Some institutional groups fear what they do not understand. I personally want to thank you for stepping up and grabbing the bull by the horn, your leadership and knowledge will be missed.   Thank you, sir,   Daniel KE0SYB

 

From: main@SATERN20.groups.io <main@SATERN20.groups.io> On Behalf Of WA5LEE - Lee - Net Manager via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 11:03 AM
To: main@SATERN20.groups.io
Subject: [Special] [SATERN20] For all Net check in members information:

 

On 3/30/2021, I sent the following to the Salvation Army EDS:

Maj. Heaver et.al.

I would be happy to address all of your points. As I have done numerous times in the past. With no response.

However, I am not hopeful at this point that I will be receiving a positive response. I have tried numerous times to engage the committee on the ‘issues’ you mention and I have received zero response. I ask Ian, Major Tom, Bill Feist and Bob L to at least acknowledge receipt of this email.

  1. When I was asked to take over the management of the net, I attended at least two meetings with the committee and I explained, both verbally as well as an extensive email, what I planned to accomplish after taking over. Including:
    1. Bringing the member database/email list into the 20th century (groups.io) from a handwritten list with nothing but a callsign and a name. Where Ken Gilliland had to send 275 individual emails to alert the members of an activation, NCS shift opening or another request, it can be done with one button. And every committee member is instantly notified of any activity. Also, every committee member, through their own login to the system, has moderator privileges and can edit/delete any message they deem necessary.
    2. Instituting training on emergency message handling to our strongest stations and established relays.
    3. Establishing a modern statistical reporting methodology of net attendance and activities so TSA could use this data to improve the role of SATERN. I placed one month of data on a boilerplate website to demonstrate how it can be used. It is NOT part of any ‘official’ SATERN website. Nor IS there an ‘official’ SATERN website. SATERN.ORG is a privately hosted and maintained website with no official TSA control or oversight. Just the same as SATERN.info.
    4. Establishing a DMR net so that the hundreds of stations/potential TSA volunteers that have no access to the 20m net for whatever reason be able to participate in.
    5. Streamlining the check-in process using NetLogger, which is used by MANY SATERN nets throughout the country and has proven invaluable to all concerned. Between 50-70 people participate in it daily. I was doing this BEFORE becoming Net Manager and it helped Ken Gilliland out immensely as well for the last 3 months of his tenure.

All of the above was discussed and wholeheartedly endorsed by the committee and both Maj. Michele and Michelle B, before I assumed the position. I was never told I would have to gain any further approval before accomplishing that which I pledged BEFORE you appointed me, only that you all endorsed me to do it without question. Nor was I ever told by my predecessor that there was anything close to this level of oversight wrought upon the net. Ken and the committee had 3 months to tell me anything to the contrary; I have had to learn as I go since I took over.

 

Now, to address your concerns:

  1. Groups.io email reflector. I pay (and HAVE paid) $25/month for this service since it’s inception. Everyone on the committee has been granted full moderator access. If the committee or TSA wishes to reimburse me and take over fiduciary responsibility and management of this email reflector, I will gladly turn it over to you.
  2. ZOOM – Since asked to do so, (about a month ago),  I no longer (at the committee’s insistence) ‘advertise, list or otherwise promote’ my zoom channel in NetLogger or on the email reflector. Anyone who chooses to join my private channel does so through means OTHER than TSA. I have included a disclaimer for first time joiners explaining that my ZOOM channel has NOTHING whatsoever to do with SATERN or TSA.
  3. I have removed any reference to TSA from the SATERN.info website. Over a month ago. The word SATERN is not a Trademark or a Patent, just the logo (which, by the way, is a logo I never used on any of my private sites, nor is it used by any other ‘international net’ OR the ‘official SATERN website’.
  4. Cancellation of the net on 3/27/2021. I sent an email to the entire committee, including the liaison, before I cancelled the net. Having been heavily involved in the SATERN net for 2.5 years, I have never been told, or was aware, that any further approval or notification was necessary. If we had continued trying to hold the net that day, we would have been in CLEAR violation of Federal LAW, as per the FCC, regarding interference with established frequency usage. We, as Ham Radio Operators, answer to the FCC BEFORE AND EXCLUSIVE of, the Committee OR TSA.
  5. The Hamshack Hotline Bridge has no affiliation whatsoever with TSA. The word ‘SATERN’ is not a trademark or patent, only a no longer used logo (see U.S. Trademark & Patent office registration #75281064) which I have NEVER used in all my endeavors. I have never stated that the Hotline Net Bridge is affiliated with, or sponsored, or endorsed by, The Salvation Army. When I made the initial announcement of the Bridge, I stated that as well. (For the record: It is already being used by several SATERN nets in the country. Was it approved by the committee?)

__________________________

 

Changes in the operation of the SATERN 20m net – This has NEVER been a requirement before I took it over. It is not currently a requirement for any other SATERN International net. I know that for a FACT. I also know that if you try to ‘control’ those nets like you are trying to control the 20m net, the manager of THOSE net will resign. And take with them the ‘official’ SATERN Website as well as the ALM Division 40m net. There are other SATERN international nets that operate EACH WEEK without ANY oversight from the committee who use a private chat channel, ZOOM meetings and change their modes regularly using new technologies.

As Emergency Service Workers on the level of the committee, anyone who is ‘boots on the ground’, such as Bob L and Major Tom, and Bill Feist, fully understand that Auxilliary Communication Groups such as SATERN must be, by definition, adaptable to changing conditions as seen fit. If I, as Net Manager of a supposed Emergency Communication Support Group, need to wait 6 months for a series of meetings, approvals or endorsements before doing ANYTHING new, I cannot, nor can ANYONE, do the job you placed me in.

 Which brings me to my summation:

__________________________

WHY is the 20m net being singled out for accomplishing what the COMMITTEE, LIASON and EDS MANAGER ALL endorsed? Because we have accomplished the most? Because we are ‘squeaky’ in that I actually TRIED to open lines of communication between the Net and the Committee that did not exist before? Ken AG6SV ran the SATERN net without ANY ‘permission’ from the committee or the liaison before I took it over. Efficiently. Without question. In fact, you gave him a nice plaque for his retirement.

I was approached to be the MANAGER of this net. I spend over 25 hours per week managing it. I am more than willing to report ANY AND ALL of our operations to the committee and the liaison and the EDS directors, and whomever else you feel I should report my activities to.

The committee made it CLEAR that ALL my designated Net Controls needed to be credentialed. I asked them to take the trainings, spend their personal time learning about Safe & Well and going through the motions to fulfil TSA’s desire. MORE than I can say for the other SATERN nets. And they DID. THREE MONTHS AGO. Then, when they tried to attain ‘CREDENTIALING’, they hit a stone wall with HQ.

NOTHING I have done, proposed, or implemented has been hurtful to TSA or SATERN. It has been done with the sole intention of fulfilling the promises & proposals I made BEFORE being appointed to my position. The Net has grown, prospered, improved, and become an actual USEFUL entity in a bare 4 months. To the point where, when the Storm Season starts (real soon) I feel we are TRULY READY to support TSA HQ, ANY Territory, ANY Division, ANY branch of TSA EDS. OR the Red Cross. OR ARES. OR Homeland Security. OR the sole Ham Radio Operator, crying out for help in a Hurricane-Stricken zone with no means of assistance but SATERN. I am darn proud of what our VOLUNTEERS have accomplished in such a short time.

I find myself in a quandary. Part of me wants to just walk away from this altogether, part of me wants to fight for the sake of the hundreds of VOLUNTEERS who want nothing more than to SUPPORT TSA in their mission. No one person is un-expendable, and I have no doubt that, should I walk away, there will be someone to take it over and keep it alive. Or perhaps not. But from all I have seen in the last 2 months, between the back-room committee meetings that I am not made privy to, the mass of emails that I am not included in, and the regular reports that I receive from people ‘in the know’ about the backstabbing and insulting things that have been said about me over the last 2 months, (Yes, it ALL gets back to me.) it seems the Committee wants me gone. If that is the case, at least have enough respect for my 30-years of professional education and effort to be blunt with me and let me know forthright.

To Maj. Michele in particular: I apologize that you have found me ‘difficult to deal with’ based on my efforts to defend my positions during all of this. I do not, nor have I ever, taken the position of SATERN net Manager lightly. Although I worked ‘without a net’ (no pun intended) from the beginning by following Ken Gilliland’s lead, I made it my priority to learn how TSA works and what you expect. I am doing the best I can given no prior instructions and conflicting directions. Bottom line here is: If you want me out, just say the word. If you want our 20m Net to be run efficiently and continue to accomplish that which you ASKED me to accomplish, then say so. PLEASE. We are supposed to be communicators. With a common goal. Please do not call me on the carpet for instituting changes based on the ignorance of the technologies I use, because there are many SATERN people who completely understand and use this technology on a daily basis. A lack of understanding, and thereby opposition, is going to keep TSA and SATERN in the middle ages with no room for growth or expansion.

 

Either way, this will be the last ‘manifesto’ you receive from me on this matter, as this is the third email I have written & gotten no response to from committee members. I have had conversations with Ian Anderson, Bill Feist, Major Tom and Ken Standard ex-parte and they all have seemed to be onboard with what I have been doing. If I am mistaken, please let me know.

If that is the case, where exactly is the committee having a problem with what I am doing? I beg you to explain this to me. I understand liability. I understand Credentialling & background checks. I understand & endorse the chain of command. Seriously, why are you focusing on me?????? No one seems to be able to answer that.

If you all pride yourselves on the Christian Values of Benevolence, Forgiveness, Truism & Honesty, why, after at LEAST 4 massive emails explaining myself, are we still at this impasse???

I IMPLORE you to give me an answer, unless this is all a sham & your ultimate goal is to make me & the other dedicated volunteers of SATERN go away. I have no stomach for TSA Politics, Power Plays, EGO’s and associated nonsense that does NOT belong in Life-Saving communication efforts.

I look VERY MUCH forward to a reply, although based on prior performance, I do not expect one. Because, and I hate to say this, as designated ‘communicators’, you leave much to be desired.

Regardless of your wishes, I am including the faithful, dedicated and FULLY TRAINED NET CONTROL VOLUNTEERS of SATERN in this response. They deserve to know what is going on. Sorry if you feel they should be kept out of the loop. But THEY are the ones who give of their time, their effort, their heart and soul, six days a week, to support The Salvation Army. From all walks of life, all Faiths, Denominations and Sectarianisms. The Supreme Being of our Universe does not, so I have been made to believe, discriminate based on those who serve Him, but welcomes all. Am I wrong?

If I am incorrect, then please, accept my immediate resignation from the position of SATERN 20M International Net Manager. I hope you have someone lined up & capable to take over the position, amidst the unnecessary micro-management & scrutiny. I will gladly provide them with exactly what I received from TSA and Ken, when I took over the net, & shut down everything I host related to SATERN. There are MANY Volunteer groups out there that would wholeheartedly welcome my/our participation without question.

There you go. I beat your deadline by 16 out of 17 days.

Lee Glassman

Dedicated VOLUNTEER of TSA & the SATERN Mission.

WA5LEE.


Today I received a response:

Lee,

 

In December 2020, The National SATERN Committee offered you the position of International SATERN 20M SSB Net Manager.  You officially took leadership of the position on December 15, 2020 when Ken Gilliland retired.  Since that time, a number of issues have developed between yourself and the National SATERN Committee.  On March 31, 2021 you offered your resignation effective immediately from your position as the International SATERN 20M SSB Net Manager.  Upon receiving your offer of resignation, I have been working with the Committee and NHQ to develop a plan to operate the net moving forward.

 

At this time I am reaching out to you to inform you that The National SATERN Committee will accept your offer of resignation effective immediately.  I will work with the Committee Members to coordinate the ongoing management of the SATERN Net team.

 

We thank you for your work as net manager and we encourage you to continue as a Salvation Army volunteer in the Southern Territory.

 

Sincerely,

 

Major Michele Heaver

Divisional Disaster Services Secretary

National SATERN Liaison to NHQ

Northern Division

2445 Prior Ave North

Roseville, MN 55113

Office: 651-746-3461

Cell: 651-238-7783

K8EDS



So, that is where we stand. From this point forward, I will no longer be participating in any SALVATION ARMY activity. However, for now, I will continue to manage the daily SATERN Net. The name SATERN is trademarked by NASA. NOT TSA. The net from this point on will be the SATERN 20m International SSB net. Acronym to be changed. I will be distributing a new NCS script and Preamble to anyone who wishes to remain a part of this Net.
I invite any of you to comment below. Or contact me directly.

WA5LEE - Lee Glassman.


Re: For all Net check in members information:

WQ4A - Paul
 

Still proud to be a part of this awesome group of amatuer radio operators no matter what we are called.

Paul 
WQ4A


Re: For all Net check in members information:

KC8NVG
 

As i Said Before Lee, it does not surprise me at all... 
Lora and I are with you my friend ... 


Re: For all Net check in members information:

Alan - W0ARM <W0ARM.mail@...>
 


WOW, Lee!  How disappointing to read all of this.

I, myself, found your changes, to bring the SATERN net into "modern times", quite good.  It is very unfortunate that, with all of your education, experience and [great] leadership of this Net, they (TSA management) would just simply wipe us, and you, all away.  Ms. Heaver has single-handedly destroyed any credibility for the TSA mission (at least with respect to the 20m Net operations), and has certainly alienated nearly all of the 20m Net participants.

Although I'm not greatly involved in the day-to-day 20m net operations, I do keep abreast of overall disaster developments, and do read your postings here on Groups.io.   I also do check-in [with the 20m net] whenever I am able.  I'm sure with your guidance and leadership, this Net will continue despite TSA's pull-out of support.

Please keep us up to date to what's next.

Godspeed my friend, and all the best.
73,
~Alan
W0ARM


Re: For all Net check in members information:

WA5EEZ-Bob <bobrgrs@...>
 

We are just a bunch of dedicated volunteers who are unified in one purpose, giving aid and assistance to anyone in need.

I’ll still be calling the net on Monday no matter what we’re called.

Full speed ahead Lee!

 

Bob

WA5EEEZ

 

From: main@SATERN20.groups.io <main@SATERN20.groups.io> On Behalf Of Hank Grilk (WA2CCN)
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 1:59 PM
To: main@SATERN20.groups.io
Subject: Re: [SATERN20] For all Net check in members information:

 

Well, how ‘bout dat !!!!!!!!!!

 

You know I’ll support you 100%.  This whole thing has been rampant bull shit!  My opinion of Salvation Army just nose dived into the shit-pit.  Typical story – POWER!  Ugh!

 

I suggest that you come up with a name that totally separates you from SATERN and any potential reference to the Salvation Army.  Maybe something like the International EMCOMM Net (IEN)

 

Hang in there, buddy!

 

73, Hank – WA2CCN

 

 

From: main@SATERN20.groups.io <main@SATERN20.groups.io> On Behalf Of WA5LEE - Lee - Net Manager via groups.io
Sent: Tuesday, April 20, 2021 1:03 PM
To: main@SATERN20.groups.io
Subject: [Special] [SATERN20] For all Net check in members information:

 

On 3/30/2021, I sent the following to the Salvation Army EDS:

Maj. Heaver et.al.

I would be happy to address all of your points. As I have done numerous times in the past. With no response.

However, I am not hopeful at this point that I will be receiving a positive response. I have tried numerous times to engage the committee on the ‘issues’ you mention and I have received zero response. I ask Ian, Major Tom, Bill Feist and Bob L to at least acknowledge receipt of this email.

  1. When I was asked to take over the management of the net, I attended at least two meetings with the committee and I explained, both verbally as well as an extensive email, what I planned to accomplish after taking over. Including:
    1. Bringing the member database/email list into the 20th century (groups.io) from a handwritten list with nothing but a callsign and a name. Where Ken Gilliland had to send 275 individual emails to alert the members of an activation, NCS shift opening or another request, it can be done with one button. And every committee member is instantly notified of any activity. Also, every committee member, through their own login to the system, has moderator privileges and can edit/delete any message they deem necessary.
    2. Instituting training on emergency message handling to our strongest stations and established relays.
    3. Establishing a modern statistical reporting methodology of net attendance and activities so TSA could use this data to improve the role of SATERN. I placed one month of data on a boilerplate website to demonstrate how it can be used. It is NOT part of any ‘official’ SATERN website. Nor IS there an ‘official’ SATERN website. SATERN.ORG is a privately hosted and maintained website with no official TSA control or oversight. Just the same as SATERN.info.
    4. Establishing a DMR net so that the hundreds of stations/potential TSA volunteers that have no access to the 20m net for whatever reason be able to participate in.
    5. Streamlining the check-in process using NetLogger, which is used by MANY SATERN nets throughout the country and has proven invaluable to all concerned. Between 50-70 people participate in it daily. I was doing this BEFORE becoming Net Manager and it helped Ken Gilliland out immensely as well for the last 3 months of his tenure.

All of the above was discussed and wholeheartedly endorsed by the committee and both Maj. Michele and Michelle B, before I assumed the position. I was never told I would have to gain any further approval before accomplishing that which I pledged BEFORE you appointed me, only that you all endorsed me to do it without question. Nor was I ever told by my predecessor that there was anything close to this level of oversight wrought upon the net. Ken and the committee had 3 months to tell me anything to the contrary; I have had to learn as I go since I took over.

 

Now, to address your concerns:

  1. Groups.io email reflector. I pay (and HAVE paid) $25/month for this service since it’s inception. Everyone on the committee has been granted full moderator access. If the committee or TSA wishes to reimburse me and take over fiduciary responsibility and management of this email reflector, I will gladly turn it over to you.
  2. ZOOM – Since asked to do so, (about a month ago),  I no longer (at the committee’s insistence) ‘advertise, list or otherwise promote’ my zoom channel in NetLogger or on the email reflector. Anyone who chooses to join my private channel does so through means OTHER than TSA. I have included a disclaimer for first time joiners explaining that my ZOOM channel has NOTHING whatsoever to do with SATERN or TSA.
  3. I have removed any reference to TSA from the SATERN.info website. Over a month ago. The word SATERN is not a Trademark or a Patent, just the logo (which, by the way, is a logo I never used on any of my private sites, nor is it used by any other ‘international net’ OR the ‘official SATERN website’.
  4. Cancellation of the net on 3/27/2021. I sent an email to the entire committee, including the liaison, before I cancelled the net. Having been heavily involved in the SATERN net for 2.5 years, I have never been told, or was aware, that any further approval or notification was necessary. If we had continued trying to hold the net that day, we would have been in CLEAR violation of Federal LAW, as per the FCC, regarding interference with established frequency usage. We, as Ham Radio Operators, answer to the FCC BEFORE AND EXCLUSIVE of, the Committee OR TSA.
  5. The Hamshack Hotline Bridge has no affiliation whatsoever with TSA. The word ‘SATERN’ is not a trademark or patent, only a no longer used logo (see U.S. Trademark & Patent office registration #75281064) which I have NEVER used in all my endeavors. I have never stated that the Hotline Net Bridge is affiliated with, or sponsored, or endorsed by, The Salvation Army. When I made the initial announcement of the Bridge, I stated that as well. (For the record: It is already being used by several SATERN nets in the country. Was it approved by the committee?)

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Changes in the operation of the SATERN 20m net – This has NEVER been a requirement before I took it over. It is not currently a requirement for any other SATERN International net. I know that for a FACT. I also know that if you try to ‘control’ those nets like you are trying to control the 20m net, the manager of THOSE net will resign. And take with them the ‘official’ SATERN Website as well as the ALM Division 40m net. There are other SATERN international nets that operate EACH WEEK without ANY oversight from the committee who use a private chat channel, ZOOM meetings and change their modes regularly using new technologies.

As Emergency Service Workers on the level of the committee, anyone who is ‘boots on the ground’, such as Bob L and Major Tom, and Bill Feist, fully understand that Auxilliary Communication Groups such as SATERN must be, by definition, adaptable to changing conditions as seen fit. If I, as Net Manager of a supposed Emergency Communication Support Group, need to wait 6 months for a series of meetings, approvals or endorsements before doing ANYTHING new, I cannot, nor can ANYONE, do the job you placed me in.

 Which brings me to my summation:

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WHY is the 20m net being singled out for accomplishing what the COMMITTEE, LIASON and EDS MANAGER ALL endorsed? Because we have accomplished the most? Because we are ‘squeaky’ in that I actually TRIED to open lines of communication between the Net and the Committee that did not exist before? Ken AG6SV ran the SATERN net without ANY ‘permission’ from the committee or the liaison before I took it over. Efficiently. Without question. In fact, you gave him a nice plaque for his retirement.

I was approached to be the MANAGER of this net. I spend over 25 hours per week managing it. I am more than willing to report ANY AND ALL of our operations to the committee and the liaison and the EDS directors, and whomever else you feel I should report my activities to.

The committee made it CLEAR that ALL my designated Net Controls needed to be credentialed. I asked them to take the trainings, spend their personal time learning about Safe & Well and going through the motions to fulfil TSA’s desire. MORE than I can say for the other SATERN nets. And they DID. THREE MONTHS AGO. Then, when they tried to attain ‘CREDENTIALING’, they hit a stone wall with HQ.

NOTHING I have done, proposed, or implemented has been hurtful to TSA or SATERN. It has been done with the sole intention of fulfilling the promises & proposals I made BEFORE being appointed to my position. The Net has grown, prospered, improved, and become an actual USEFUL entity in a bare 4 months. To the point where, when the Storm Season starts (real soon) I feel we are TRULY READY to support TSA HQ, ANY Territory, ANY Division, ANY branch of TSA EDS. OR the Red Cross. OR ARES. OR Homeland Security. OR the sole Ham Radio Operator, crying out for help in a Hurricane-Stricken zone with no means of assistance but SATERN. I am darn proud of what our VOLUNTEERS have accomplished in such a short time.

I find myself in a quandary. Part of me wants to just walk away from this altogether, part of me wants to fight for the sake of the hundreds of VOLUNTEERS who want nothing more than to SUPPORT TSA in their mission. No one person is un-expendable, and I have no doubt that, should I walk away, there will be someone to take it over and keep it alive. Or perhaps not. But from all I have seen in the last 2 months, between the back-room committee meetings that I am not made privy to, the mass of emails that I am not included in, and the regular reports that I receive from people ‘in the know’ about the backstabbing and insulting things that have been said about me over the last 2 months, (Yes, it ALL gets back to me.) it seems the Committee wants me gone. If that is the case, at least have enough respect for my 30-years of professional education and effort to be blunt with me and let me know forthright.

To Maj. Michele in particular: I apologize that you have found me ‘difficult to deal with’ based on my efforts to defend my positions during all of this. I do not, nor have I ever, taken the position of SATERN net Manager lightly. Although I worked ‘without a net’ (no pun intended) from the beginning by following Ken Gilliland’s lead, I made it my priority to learn how TSA works and what you expect. I am doing the best I can given no prior instructions and conflicting directions. Bottom line here is: If you want me out, just say the word. If you want our 20m Net to be run efficiently and continue to accomplish that which you ASKED me to accomplish, then say so. PLEASE. We are supposed to be communicators. With a common goal. Please do not call me on the carpet for instituting changes based on the ignorance of the technologies I use, because there are many SATERN people who completely understand and use this technology on a daily basis. A lack of understanding, and thereby opposition, is going to keep TSA and SATERN in the middle ages with no room for growth or expansion.

 

Either way, this will be the last ‘manifesto’ you receive from me on this matter, as this is the third email I have written & gotten no response to from committee members. I have had conversations with Ian Anderson, Bill Feist, Major Tom and Ken Standard ex-parte and they all have seemed to be onboard with what I have been doing. If I am mistaken, please let me know.

If that is the case, where exactly is the committee having a problem with what I am doing? I beg you to explain this to me. I understand liability. I understand Credentialling & background checks. I understand & endorse the chain of command. Seriously, why are you focusing on me?????? No one seems to be able to answer that.

If you all pride yourselves on the Christian Values of Benevolence, Forgiveness, Truism & Honesty, why, after at LEAST 4 massive emails explaining myself, are we still at this impasse???

I IMPLORE you to give me an answer, unless this is all a sham & your ultimate goal is to make me & the other dedicated volunteers of SATERN go away. I have no stomach for TSA Politics, Power Plays, EGO’s and associated nonsense that does NOT belong in Life-Saving communication efforts.

I look VERY MUCH forward to a reply, although based on prior performance, I do not expect one. Because, and I hate to say this, as designated ‘communicators’, you leave much to be desired.

Regardless of your wishes, I am including the faithful, dedicated and FULLY TRAINED NET CONTROL VOLUNTEERS of SATERN in this response. They deserve to know what is going on. Sorry if you feel they should be kept out of the loop. But THEY are the ones who give of their time, their effort, their heart and soul, six days a week, to support The Salvation Army. From all walks of life, all Faiths, Denominations and Sectarianisms. The Supreme Being of our Universe does not, so I have been made to believe, discriminate based on those who serve Him, but welcomes all. Am I wrong?

If I am incorrect, then please, accept my immediate resignation from the position of SATERN 20M International Net Manager. I hope you have someone lined up & capable to take over the position, amidst the unnecessary micro-management & scrutiny. I will gladly provide them with exactly what I received from TSA and Ken, when I took over the net, & shut down everything I host related to SATERN. There are MANY Volunteer groups out there that would wholeheartedly welcome my/our participation without question.

There you go. I beat your deadline by 16 out of 17 days.

Lee Glassman

Dedicated VOLUNTEER of TSA & the SATERN Mission.

WA5LEE.


Today I received a response:

Lee,

 

In December 2020, The National SATERN Committee offered you the position of International SATERN 20M SSB Net Manager.  You officially took leadership of the position on December 15, 2020 when Ken Gilliland retired.  Since that time, a number of issues have developed between yourself and the National SATERN Committee.  On March 31, 2021 you offered your resignation effective immediately from your position as the International SATERN 20M SSB Net Manager.  Upon receiving your offer of resignation, I have been working with the Committee and NHQ to develop a plan to operate the net moving forward.

 

At this time I am reaching out to you to inform you that The National SATERN Committee will accept your offer of resignation effective immediately.  I will work with the Committee Members to coordinate the ongoing management of the SATERN Net team.

 

We thank you for your work as net manager and we encourage you to continue as a Salvation Army volunteer in the Southern Territory.

 

Sincerely,

 

Major Michele Heaver

Divisional Disaster Services Secretary

National SATERN Liaison to NHQ

Northern Division

2445 Prior Ave North

Roseville, MN 55113

Office: 651-746-3461

Cell: 651-238-7783

K8EDS



So, that is where we stand. From this point forward, I will no longer be participating in any SALVATION ARMY activity. However, for now, I will continue to manage the daily SATERN Net. The name SATERN is trademarked by NASA. NOT TSA. The net from this point on will be the SATERN 20m International SSB net. Acronym to be changed. I will be distributing a new NCS script and Preamble to anyone who wishes to remain a part of this Net.
I invite any of you to comment below. Or contact me directly.

WA5LEE - Lee Glassman.

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