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We made the ARRL News...
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http://www.arrl.org/news/separate-satern-nets-now-operational
They fairly reported the facts. I give them credit. -- '73 (Best Wishes, for non-Hams) --... ...-- / -.. . / .-- .- ..... .-.. . . WA5LEE (Previously KC3LEE) Lee Glassman, ARRL VE, COM-T, NREMT #E3525310 Tomball, Texas Int’l SSB 20M Net Manager NW Harris County TX ARES STX Dist. 14 AEC Drill Ops Houston Methodist Willowbrook Hospital EMCOMM Team Tomball FD EMCOMM Team PA Digital Radio Group NCO Northwest Amateur Radio Society Texas Lonestar DMR Network NCO OMISS #1198 TDXS #219 |
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Warren Peiter (WX8OH) <wx8oh@...>
Well written Article.
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On Jun 16, 2021, at 8:54 AM, WA5LEE - Lee - Net Manager via groups.io <leemanpa@...> wrote:
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WA5EEZ-Bob <bobrgrs@...>
This should clear the air and let both nets move ahead without any more turmoil.
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WA5EEZ On Jun 16, 2021, at 8:02 AM, Warren Peiter (WX8OH) <wx8oh@...> wrote:
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One would hope. That would make me very happy.
'73 (Best Wishes, for non-Hams) --... ...-- / -.. . / .-- .- ..... .-.. . . WA5LEE Lee Glassman, ARRL VE, COM-T, NREMT #E3525310 Tomball, Texas
From: main@SATERN20.groups.io <main@SATERN20.groups.io> On Behalf Of WA5EEZ-Bob
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 8:56 AM To: main@satern20.groups.io Subject: Re: [SATERN20] We made the ARRL News...
This should clear the air and let both nets move ahead without any more turmoil. Bob WA5EEZ
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Steve Rock (WA1NPD)
Hello Lee,
I would like to read more of the conversation the ARRL article is generating
From: main@SATERN20.groups.io <main@SATERN20.groups.io> on behalf of WA5LEE - Lee - Net Manager via groups.io <leemanpa@...>
Sent: Wednesday, June 16, 2021 5:54 AM To: main@SATERN20.groups.io <main@SATERN20.groups.io> Subject: [Special] [SATERN20] We made the ARRL News... http://www.arrl.org/news/separate-satern-nets-now-operational
They fairly reported the facts. I give them credit. -- '73 (Best Wishes, for non-Hams) --... ...-- / -.. . / .-- .- ..... .-.. . . WA5LEE (Previously KC3LEE) Lee Glassman, ARRL VE, COM-T, NREMT #E3525310 Tomball, Texas Int’l SSB 20M Net Manager
NW Harris County TX ARES STX Dist. 14 AEC Drill Ops Houston Methodist Willowbrook Hospital EMCOMM Team Tomball FD EMCOMM Team PA Digital Radio Group NCO Northwest Amateur Radio Society Texas Lonestar DMR Network NCO OMISS #1198 TDXS #219 |
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Jim Miller (WB5OXQ)
I think I have checked in to both when I was mobile. I enjoy these nets. Jim wb5oxq Waco, TX. On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 7:54 AM WA5LEE - Lee - Net Manager via groups.io <leemanpa=me.com@groups.io> wrote: http://www.arrl.org/news/separate-satern-nets-now-operational --
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OK Folks... I have had enough of this..
As much as I had hoped that the ARRL article would put the SATERN vs. SATERN issue to rest, sadly, this has not been the case. I am, once again, getting hate mail, threats, damnation for me AND my Family & Friends. Major this, Sargent that, Corporal, this... All telling me I and my entire sphere of existence are rebels, heathens and are going straight to Hell for what I have done to the Salvation Army. All I tried to do is preserve Major Pat's Legacy and strive to make a happy home for the many people who counted on the daily SATERN net for comfort and succor, while still upholding the mission of helping out the Public in times of need. While many of you, especially the NCS team and Ned, Kirk, etc. have been wholeheartedly supportive of this effort, the time has come for me to pull the plug. The 'new' Salvation Army SATERN net on 14.325 is recognized by the ARRL as a viable and endorsed Net. Bill, WB5ALM and Weather Bob, WX8BOB and his group have decided to restart the Net using all the ideas I proposed in the beginning, yet met with resistance from TSA. I am not a Christian. I never signed up to be a Missionary for Christ or TSA. I just accepted an offer to manage an emergency service net. I dedicated 20+ hours each week to being Net Manager and was met with nothing but resistance and criticism from the Army and their minions. I spent my own hard-earned funds to setup websites and the email reflector, all in the hopes of improving and expanding the capabilities of our Net, with no expectation of recompense or praise, and all it has done is bring a shitstorm of criticism and scorn upon me and my loved ones, as well as wreaked havoc upon my reputation in Ham Radio and my 40 year legacy of experience helping others selflessly. (Wahhhhhh) I know I sound like a crybaby. I am from NY and have a tough skin. I have zero tolerance for BS and Politics and believe wholeheartedly that EVERYONE deserves a fair shake when it comes to disasters. I have done my best, honestly, to achieve that for SATERN. I thought we had put the past behind us and were moving in a new and positive direction. We have been working on a new Web presence as well as MOU's with served agencies such as SHARES, Red Cross, ARES, etc. where we could make a REAL difference as Radio Amateurs in crisis situations. But this ARRL article, while being a fair representation of what happened, does not fully give credence to the facts and those folks out there who choose to drink the TSA cool-aid without knowing the whole story and history have, once again, chosen to dedicate themselves to denigrating and insulting me and the rest of us for 'destroying' the SATERN net and 'the way it is supposed to be'. I am very much involved in EMCOMM, both in the Amateur as well as the Professional world. The Pro's consider TSA and SATERN to be a joke. Never to be called upon. A bunch of old Men possessed of self-importance thinking they know it all and wanting to take over. Old-School Hams are deluding themselves in this era of infrastructure redundancy, Digital Comms, and new and emerging technology, and sad as it is to say, once they die out, with their mindset of 'we don't need any of this new crap, all we need is our CW', there will be ZERO young guns to take over, since the existing cadre has driven them away and turned them off. I see this every day in ARES and my local Club. If I have learned anything in the last 2 years, it is that life is WAYYYY too short and the Glory of our existence can be wiped out at a moments notice. If TSA wishes to rule the roost and be the BMOC (Big Man On Campus), spreading the Gospel through Ham Radio, so be it. They can have it. I, for one, have many other 'based in reality' secular organizations to devote my time and effort to, without having to deal with daily threats to my Family and myself. As of Tomorrow, 6/17/2021, I am officially shutting down my involvement with SATERN. I am sorry we could not do more for all of you, but as the victims of the Spanish Inquisition realized, you just can't compete with religious zealots. I want to thank Ned, KL7QK, Kirk N5XJB, Harry W0HMS, Warren, WX8OH and Bob, WA5EEZ, as well as the MANY relays and Friends who have selflessly given of themselves to this net. Special thanks to Ken Standard, AG6SV for his dedication to SATERN S. Terr & Digi 20m, as well as his continued support & guidance. Sorry, guys. I love you all, I just cannot do this anymore and suffer this abuse from people who are supposedly in the service of Our Lord. I wish you and yours all my best, from myself and Nicole. May God Bless you all and hope you all stay in touch. (those of you who aren't haters, anyway) HIHI PS: The NetLogger database will continue to be hosted on my servers in perpetuity, should it be needed. The e-mail reflector will continue until the subscription expires next year. Oh, and, not to be petty, but a special note to 'Major Bob, KA0VZP'- F.-U.. You are an uninformed, hateful Ass. You should be ashamed of yourself. You want to quote scripture to ME, let me quote some to YOU: "Judge NOT, lest ye be judged" Threaten me and mine with damnation??? How DARE you, you POS. -- '73 (Best Wishes, for non-Hams) --... ...-- / -.. . / .-- .- ..... .-.. . . WA5LEE (Previously KC3LEE) Lee Glassman, ARRL VE, COM-T, NREMT #E3525310 Tomball, Texas Int’l SSB 20M Net Manager NW Harris County TX ARES STX Dist. 14 AEC Drill Ops Houston Methodist Willowbrook Hospital EMCOMM Team Tomball FD EMCOMM Team PA Digital Radio Group NCO Northwest Amateur Radio Society Texas Lonestar DMR Network NCO OMISS #1198 TDXS #219 |
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NL7WA John
Wow, spent 33 years in the military and was off the radio's since 1997. I thought getting back into ham radio would be fun, refreshing and a way to explore all the ways I have missed over the years. But now, this stuff, Lee sorry for the ways "those" folks crapped all over you. You don't need that kind of garbage in your life, move on and thanks for what you did and tried to do. My feelings about the TSA folks had definitely changed! John
On Wednesday, June 16, 2021, 08:02:21 PM EDT, WA5LEE - Lee - Net Manager via groups.io <leemanpa@...> wrote:
OK Folks... I have had enough of this.. As much as I had hoped that the ARRL article would put the SATERN vs. SATERN issue to rest, sadly, this has not been the case. I am, once again, getting hate mail, threats, damnation for me AND my Family & Friends. Major this, Sargent that, Corporal, this... All telling me I and my entire sphere of existence are rebels, heathens and are going straight to Hell for what I have done to the Salvation Army. All I tried to do is preserve Major Pat's Legacy and strive to make a happy home for the many people who counted on the daily SATERN net for comfort and succor, while still upholding the mission of helping out the Public in times of need. While many of you, especially the NCS team and Ned, Kirk, etc. have been wholeheartedly supportive of this effort, the time has come for me to pull the plug. The 'new' Salvation Army SATERN net on 14.325 is recognized by the ARRL as a viable and endorsed Net. Bill, WB5ALM and Weather Bob, WX8BOB and his group have decided to restart the Net using all the ideas I proposed in the beginning, yet met with resistance from TSA. I am not a Christian. I never signed up to be a Missionary for Christ or TSA. I just accepted an offer to manage an emergency service net. I dedicated 20+ hours each week to being Net Manager and was met with nothing but resistance and criticism from the Army and their minions. I spent my own hard-earned funds to setup websites and the email reflector, all in the hopes of improving and expanding the capabilities of our Net, with no expectation of recompense or praise, and all it has done is bring a shitstorm of criticism and scorn upon me and my loved ones, as well as wreaked havoc upon my reputation in Ham Radio and my 40 year legacy of experience helping others selflessly. (Wahhhhhh) I know I sound like a crybaby. I am from NY and have a tough skin. I have zero tolerance for BS and Politics and believe wholeheartedly that EVERYONE deserves a fair shake when it comes to disasters. I have done my best, honestly, to achieve that for SATERN. I thought we had put the past behind us and were moving in a new and positive direction. We have been working on a new Web presence as well as MOU's with served agencies such as SHARES, Red Cross, ARES, etc. where we could make a REAL difference as Radio Amateurs in crisis situations. But this ARRL article, while being a fair representation of what happened, does not fully give credence to the facts and those folks out there who choose to drink the TSA cool-aid without knowing the whole story and history have, once again, chosen to dedicate themselves to denigrating and insulting me and the rest of us for 'destroying' the SATERN net and 'the way it is supposed to be'. I am very much involved in EMCOMM, both in the Amateur as well as the Professional world. The Pro's consider TSA and SATERN to be a joke. Never to be called upon. A bunch of old Men possessed of self-importance thinking they know it all and wanting to take over. Old-School Hams are deluding themselves in this era of infrastructure redundancy, Digital Comms, and new and emerging technology, and sad as it is to say, once they die out, with their mindset of 'we don't need any of this new crap, all we need is our CW', there will be ZERO young guns to take over, since the existing cadre has driven them away and turned them off. I see this every day in ARES and my local Club. If I have learned anything in the last 2 years, it is that life is WAYYYY too short and the Glory of our existence can be wiped out at a moments notice. If TSA wishes to rule the roost and be the BMOC (Big Man On Campus), spreading the Gospel through Ham Radio, so be it. They can have it. I, for one, have many other 'based in reality' secular organizations to devote my time and effort to, without having to deal with daily threats to my Family and myself. As of Tomorrow, 6/17/2021, I am officially shutting down my involvement with SATERN. I am sorry we could not do more for all of you, but as the victims of the Spanish Inquisition realized, you just can't compete with religious zealots. I want to thank Ned, KL7QK, Kirk N5XJB, Harry W0HMS, Warren, WX8OH and Bob, WA5EEZ, as well as the MANY relays and Friends who have selflessly given of themselves to this net. Special thanks to Ken Standard, AG6SV for his dedication to SATERN S. Terr & Digi 20m, as well as his continued support & guidance. Sorry, guys. I love you all, I just cannot do this anymore and suffer this abuse from people who are supposedly in the service of Our Lord. I wish you and yours all my best, from myself and Nicole. May God Bless you all and hope you all stay in touch. (those of you who aren't haters, anyway) HIHI PS: The NetLogger database will continue to be hosted on my servers in perpetuity, should it be needed. The e-mail reflector will continue until the subscription expires next year. Oh, and, not to be petty, but a special note to 'Major Bob, KA0VZP'- F.-U.. You are an uninformed, hateful Ass. You should be ashamed of yourself. You want to quote scripture to ME, let me quote some to YOU: "Judge NOT, lest ye be judged" Threaten me and mine with damnation??? How DARE you, you POS. -- '73 (Best Wishes, for non-Hams) --... ...-- / -.. . / .-- .- ..... .-.. . . WA5LEE (Previously KC3LEE) Lee Glassman, ARRL VE, COM-T, NREMT #E3525310 Tomball, Texas Int’l SSB 20M Net Manager NW Harris County TX ARES STX Dist. 14 AEC Drill Ops Houston Methodist Willowbrook Hospital EMCOMM Team Tomball FD EMCOMM Team PA Digital Radio Group NCO Northwest Amateur Radio Society Texas Lonestar DMR Network NCO OMISS #1198 TDXS #219 |
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WQ4A - Paul
Lee, I am a short timer to the net but I have enjoyed it immensely! Working to assist folks last summer with so many hurricanes was a humbling experience. The folks that have frequented the net since I got involved last summer are just awesome amateur operators. I hate to see this group vanish. I would be involved if this group decides to reinvent ourselves with perhaps a different focus or mission. I just hate the thought of not communicating with you and Ned, Warren, Steven and all of the rest of the net members. Thank you for all you did and I am sorry that so many have treated you badly. Please keep me in the loop if a new net is possible in the future. 73, Paul WQ4A Ocala, Florida On Wed, Jun 16, 2021 at 8:02 PM WA5LEE - Lee - Net Manager via groups.io <leemanpa=me.com@groups.io> wrote: OK Folks... I have had enough of this.. |
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Jim James (KG5BIM)
I am sorry to hear all the BS you have been going through Lee. I think I might have a solution to this mess let the NC continue for this week just two more days. Monday we will hold the frequency of 14.265 and we can change the name to a ARES 20 meter emergency net. Ares is already recognized by the Red Cross and of course the ARRL along with Fema and others. It is strange to me that the SA abandoned our net and just left us in limbo and now want it back. I worked countless hours on several major hurricanes and never once heard anyone from the SA on the air and giving us any assistance. I remember we tried to get the SA headquarters to open up a call center for Hurricane Maria so they could call the family members with one of their counselors. That was shot down so we had to make calls ourselves. So all is not lost Lee you are doing a great job and we can go in another direction. I know why they did this to you I listened to the net when I got home Wednesday morning on 14.325 it lasted about 30 minutes with very few stations checking in. So Lee I think the whole group will be with you are whoever to get this resolved for good. Let me know what you think Lee. Thank you again Jim KG5BIM
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Chuck Bennett
Yes. I thought they were fair. Chuck On Wed, Jun 16, 2021, 7:54 AM WA5LEE - Lee - Net Manager via groups.io <leemanpa=me.com@groups.io> wrote: http://www.arrl.org/news/separate-satern-nets-now-operational |
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